Subject: Contradiction of gravitons and black holes ?

Hi !

I read all the answers on the subject, already on MadSci, as well as a number
of connected articles and answers on other sites. In all of them there seems
to be some kind of a problem. On the one hand there are those that talk about
the proof of the existance of gravitons by an abservation of two orbiting 
pulsars, a few years ago, which get closer as predicted a long time ago in 
theory, due to the emmitance of gravitons (real ones having mass-energy - not 
virtual). On the other hand there are the articles about Black Holes which 
claim that gravitons are virtual particles (and even if they weren't it could 
be that gravity of a Black Hole may come from before it was created - which is 
illogical to claim anyway - if gravitons are real).
If gravitons are indeed prooved real and on the other hand it is immpossible
to explain how a Black Hole has gravity (since no mass-energy can escape the 
event horizon) than it should simply be said to be so and a new theory is to be 
sought after, instead of having various physicsts seemingly ignore each other's 
dicoveries and publications.

Thank you.

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