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Re: What is the velocity of electrons in each of the orbitals/sublevels of atom

Date: Fri Apr 20 13:31:56 2001
Posted By: Dan Berger, Faculty Chemistry/Science, Bluffton College
Area of science: Chemistry
ID: 987518463.Ch
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In order to calculate the De Broglie wavelengths of matter waves, this info is required. The units must be in meters per second for each velocity for each separate orbital and sub level. I asked this before yet the response the scientist gave did not address the electrons orbiting the nucleus rather he chosse to respond to free electrons.
An atom is on the order of 10-10 meters in diameter. An electron confined to this volume of space has a velocity that cannot be known (by the Heisenberg relation) to better than about ±0.005c, or 600 km/s. Given this uncertainty in velocity, you can't determine the de Broglie wavelength of an electron in an atom to better than half an atomic diameter, and probably not even that precisely. That's far too coarse for a particular solar-system-type electron orbit.

Conversely, one can assume that the electron wavelength is no greater than 10-10 meters and use the de Broglie equation to get a velocity of at least 0.02c.

Bohr did not use de Broglie waves, which were not postulated until a decade later, to determine his orbits--though that's one way of interpreting the orbits. Instead Bohr used energy states; see Linus Pauling and E. Bright Wilson, Introduction to Quantum Mechanics (1935; 1963 Dover reprint), Chapter 2. This treatment is not the same as the Schrödinger Equation, which uses electrostatic interactions, but the result is similar: the electron occupies certain quantized energy levels--not orbits--within the atom. "Electron orbits" within atoms are not observable: they are models of the observed energy quantization.

Both Bohr and Schrödinger treatments assign a "radius" to the electron's "orbit," but while Bohr interpreted his radius in terms of the solar system model of the atom, nowadays we consider it to be the mean radius of a three-dimensional standing wave.

As far as determining the velocity of an electron in a Bohr orbit, you are better off finding the circumference of the orbit from its calculated radius, considering that to be ½l, then using de Broglie's equation to calculate the velocity.

Dan Berger
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