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Query:

Re: What will heat a pot of water faster aluminum on steel or steel on alum plate?

Date: Tue Mar 11 16:31:18 2003
Posted By: Joseph Weeks, President
Area of science: Physics
ID: 1046123283.Ph
Message:

Your question is of substantial importance not only in heating water but 
in cooling electronic devices.  Modern integrated circuits use a lot of 
power and generate a lot of heat that must be removed to keep from cooking 
the device.   The principles for heating water and cooling integrated 
circuits are the same.  Unfortunately, we need to understand some basic 
principles of heat transfer before we can get to an answer to your 
question.  Just because the question seems simple, doesn’t make the answer 
short or simple.

Heat moves from a higher temperature to a lower temperature by three 
mechanisms; conduction, convection, and radiation.  Conduction is easy to 
understand; hot atoms vibrate more than cool atoms.  So a hot atom is 
going to vibrate against its neighbors, causing them to vibrate more while
it looses some of its energy.  This heat transfer by conduction takes 
place in solids, liquids, and gasses; if you remove all of the atoms (say 
by operating in a vacuum), there is no conductive heat transfer.  A 
thermos bottle keeps things hot or cool by surrounding the contents with a 
vacuum.  And when you talk about using a sheet of steel or a block of 
aluminum, you are implying transferring heat by conduction.  So heat isn’t 
really drawn from a higher temperature by something at a lower temperature.

Convective heat transfer takes place as a result of fluid movement.  In 
your pot of water, when you stir the pot, hot water near the bottom of the 
pot is moved around so that it heats the water at the top of the pot.  
When the water starts to boil, you can easily see that there is a lot of 
fluid movement.  When you drive down the road in your car, air blowing 
over the “radiator” cools your car engine by convection, just as the 
antifreeze circulating within the car’s cooling system moves heat from the 
engine to the “radiator” by convection.  Perhaps your "radiator" should 
more accurately be called a "convector."

The last heat transfer mechanism is radiation.  Hot objects transfer heat 
to their surroundings by radiation.  The sun’s heat is transferred to your 
face on a sunny day by radiation.  Radiation is a very strong function of 
temperature.  When the coil of your heat plate gets red hot, you can feel
the heat transfer by radiation.  If you put a pot on top of the red hot 
coils, the coils often cool down enough to see the decrease in the 
brightness of the coils; this is because conductive heat transfer away 
from the coils decreases the amount of power that must be removed by 
radiation and convection to the air.

When you are attempting to heat a pot of water, conduction from the 
heating coils to the pot containing the water is going to be the most 
important heat transfer mechanism.  And conduction from one metal surface 
to another is going to provide much better heat transfer than conduction
from the heating coils to and insulating layer of air, and then to another 
metal surface.  The thermal conductivity of metals varies from about 10 to 
400 Watts per meter per degree C.  Steel may have a conductivity of about 
30 and aluminum around 200 W/mC.  By comparison, the conductivity of air 
is going to be less than 0.01 W/mK.

And now we get to the answer to your question.  There are several issues 
which determine how fast you will heat a pot of water on a hot plate.  The 
first one is the question of how much heat is provided by your hot plate.  
If it plugs into a wall outlet, the hot plate typically can provide about
1500 watts of heat.  Because the metal windings in the hot plate tend to 
increase in electrical resistance as temperature increases, you might 
expect the hot plate to put out more heat energy when it is cool and less 
as it heats up.  So, a red hot hotplate may only be putting out 1450 watts
of heat, while one that is just plugged in may actually be producing 1550 
watts of heat.  

The amount of heat necessary to heat a pot of water is a function of the 
amount of water and the starting temperature.  So, lets say that you are 
putting 1 liter (about one quart or 1,000 milliliters) of water in your 
pot to start with, and lets say that the water is initially 20C.  The 
specific heat of water is about 1 calorie per gram per degree C.  So, to 
bring the 1000 milliliters of water to 100C (to boiling) is going to 
require (100-20)*1000=80,000 calories.  Since you are taking physics, I’ll
bet you can find a conversion factor from calories to watt seconds.  As I 
recall, it is about 4.1 watt seconds per calorie.  So, if I exercise my 
calculator a bit, I find it will require about 328000 watt seconds of 
power to heat the water to boiling.  For a 1500 watt hot plate, about 3.64
minutes of heating are required if all of the heat went into the water.

So, now we get to the question of heat transfer.  Solid surfaces are not 
flat on a microscopic level (even if they look flat).  When I place one 
solid surface in contact with another (lets call it a heat transfer 
interface), some of the heat is transferred from metal surface to metal 
surface, and some of the heat is transferred by conduction through the 
thin air layer separating the surfaces; some is also transferred by 
convection through the air and by radiation.  So, every time I have a heat
transfer interface, my heat transfer is poorer than if there was no 
interface.  Some of the thermal resistance of the interface can be reduced 
by putting something in-between the solid surfaces that transfers heat 
better than air.  So, when a heat sink is put on top of an integrated 
circuit, a little bit of heat transfer grease is placed between the heat 
sink and the circuit.

When you start stacking metal layers on top of each other, like a sheet of 
steel and a sheet of aluminum, you are adding interfaces.  And the heat 
plate is going to have to get hotter to transfer the same amount of heat 
through these interfaces.  Of course, a block of aluminum will transfer
heat by conduction through the block pretty well, but there is the heat 
plate to aluminum block, and the aluminum block to pot interfaces that are 
the cause of most of the thermal resistance.

An experiment that would be interesting to run would be to stack several 
sheets of aluminum foil; one on top of the other, and then put the water 
on top of the stack of aluminum foil sheets.  I’ll bet that you can see a 
big difference in how hot the heat plate gets with the aluminum foil, as
compared to without. 

When the heat plate has to get hotter to transfer the same amount of heat, 
more of the heat is lost to the surroundings by convection and by 
radiation, plus, as mentioned, a hot heat plate may not produce a full 
1500 watts of power.  So, although you may still be putting the same
1500 watts of power into the heat plate, you may be losing several hundred 
watts of heat to the surroundings.  That translates into less heat going 
to heat the water.

The final issue is the one of thermal mass.  It takes energy to heat the 
water; it takes energy to heat the pot surrounding the water; it takes 
energy to heat a block of aluminum or sheet of steel.  When you put that 
block of aluminum on the heat plate, you still only have the 1500 watts of
heating power being produced by the hot plate, but now you are heating the 
water, the pot, and the block of aluminum.  It takes more energy to heat 
the block of aluminum and the pot of water that it would take to heat the 
pot of water without the block of aluminum.  The aluminum will do a good 
job spreading out the heat, allowing the bottom of the pot to be uniformly 
heated, but it will hurt your efforts to heat the water fast.  Same with 
the steel.

So, the absolute fastest way to heat a pot of water?  Immerse the heating 
coils into the pot; you eliminate convection and radiation to the 
surroundings, and produce a minimum of thermal interfaces.  The coils stay 
cool, allowing more electrical energy to pass through the coils.  Of
course, most hot plates are not designed for water immersion but there are 
some heating coils designed and sold for heating a cup of water by 
immersing the coil into the water.  It is a fundamentally good idea, from 
a heat transfer standpoint.  Of course, if the coil is plugged in when not 
immersed, it can burn up pretty fast.

Hope that helps answer the question of heat transfer and thermal 
interfaces.


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